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Infoseepage

It appears to be a full court press. I've seen a few articles like this in recent days:

tech.slashdot.org/story/23/10/…

What the industry really doesn't want is inexpensive vehicles with little markup, which is where the technology is driving the market. They want to make big trucks and SUVs for as long as humanly possible.


Auto Execs Are Coming Clean: EVs Aren't Working - Slashdot

Amiga Trombone shares a report from Insider: With signs of growing inventory and slowing sales, auto industry executives admitted this week that their ambitious electric vehicle plans are in jeopardy, at least in the near term.
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Helge Wilker

Yes. I would expect an astroturf campaign to be a bit more circumspect, though. BMW at least is on the record with only lukewarm enthusiasm for BEV and continued support for ICE vehicles. There are more than enough billionaire-funded crazy-„news“ orgs and channels around to serve as good amplifiers, and the conventional press, especially Springer (BILD, Welt) will jump on the bandwagon at the right moment. It will appear as part of their long-running anti-Green campaign.
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RojCowles

@scott
There was a Jalopnik article stating that Toyota are laughing all the way to the bank as EVs aren't selling in the US but hybrids and PHEVs are super in-demand that got surfaced to me via various algorithms and seems to get quoted as inconvertible truth in comment threads. Wonder if its coincidence or part of an anti EV push aiming to overturn or weaken the laws being considered to ban sales of fossil fuel vehicles around 2035?
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Charlie Stross

@JackEric You're talking about trolley buses. Quick question; how much do you think maintaining, repairing, and retensioning the overhead wires costs? And what happens if something snags and tears down the wires? Pay special attention to passing pedestrians and bicycles dealing with the 600 volt unshielded power ...
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Charlie Stross

@etchedpixels @pjohanneson Solar *is* problematic here in Scotland; in midwinter we get 6 hours of light out of every 24, so would be reliant on storage and need far more area under PV to make it work. (And we tend to live in dense apartments, so less roof area per person. And power consumption maxes out on winter nights for heating, not summer daytime for air conditioning.)

However we're a world leader for wind farms, which currently provide 94% of our power.

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Workshopshed

@etchedpixels @pjohanneson here in Ayrshire we saved approx 60% of our electricity bill ( cooking, washing, lighting) last year thanks to solar and battery. But the house still uses gas for heating though.

workshopshed.com/2023/10/solar…

Solar install a year in review - Workshopshed

Roughly this time last year we had solar panels installed along with a battery, lets see how it performed this year.
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Magnus Ahltorp

@etchedpixels @pjohanneson The most north I’ve been in Scotland is Ullapool, and that is still south of Stockholm. Here we have quite a lot of solar power, and I believe it’s quite popular even further north, but totally relying on it is difficult, as you say.

Even if dense apartments mean less roof space, they leak less heat, so that’s an advantage.

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Billy Smith

@etchedpixels @pjohanneson

Have you seen this design of direct heating via windmill?

solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2019…


Heat your House with a Mechanical Windmill

Given the right conditions, a mechanical windmill with an oversized brake system is a cheap, effective, and sustainable heating system.
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HawkWolf (H. A. Kirsch)

I was reading an arstechnica article's comment section (I think it was on the post about toyota's ev concepts they make not make) and there was a back and forth between "the numbers show that electric cars are sitting on lots!" and “are you nuts more and more EVs are selling constantly, look at these numbers"

I think it settled on the first someone trying to extrapolate from the F-150 Lightning's relative struggle to sell, which might possibly be due to the ones you can actually buy being the ones that start at $70,000. vs the actual sales numbers, which are going up.

Plus there's the confounding factor that car prices in general are becoming massively inflated due to [choose your reason].

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dr2chase

@skry Able-bodied doesn't really need the "e" if you can avoid hills. Decades of car-induced sloth have left a huge hunk of the population ignorant of what they could do on a bike, if they tried and kept at it for a few months
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Jaddy

@jack is inside your PHONE

You surely have visited rural areas, right? Like, e.g. villages of ~2000 people, miles from each other and many more to the next city. Vehicles without any kind of stored power on board won’t work there. Not even trolley buses.

And then, there're lot and lots of service and delivery vehicles. Mail and stuff, work vehicles also collecting trash. Now, what about farm and forest work? Maintenance of PV and wind farms?

The odd fringes are much bigger than they might appear.

I guess there will be no silver bullet tech solution, once again.

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Charlie Stross

@ravenonthill @mjj @RojCowles @scott All the more of an opportunity for motel owners! (Seriously, motels were a big thing in the US until cheap air travel, and today's EVs are far more mechanically reliable and comfortable to drive than cars were back then—the biggest issue is how to combine recharging with travel, and meal/overnight stops with chargers would work. (Plus the cultural drawback of Americans getting virtually no vacation time ...)
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Jon

@mjj @RojCowles @scott there's no shortage of highway-adjacent hotels and motels in the US, but asking them to install DCFC infrastructure would be a lot, without unlikely federal subsidies - more likely that money will flow into dedicated charger stations, there is funding in the infrastructure act that's getting started on that. L2 charging will take ca. 12 hours to fully recharge current vehicles.
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Nefarious Celt

@palkyrie @janlouzel
Driving 300 miles a week I have no issues driving around in an EV. Although I do have off street parking.
It has been from Cambridgeshire to Portmerion, Lincoln and even down to Brighton.
It was the range of my bladder that dictated when the car was charged.
The real range issues I have is finding a model to carry either a mobility scooter or electric wheelchair.
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@RealGene @janlouzel
To me, this has all the hallmarks of the social engineering component of a multi-front propaganda campaign, likely orchestrated and financed by the petro companies. Expect to see contrarian scientific studies by little known researchers published online and cited in the WSJ and NYT soon.
It's a well worn strategy pioneered by the US tobacco companies. They always use it because it always works.
Here's the all too familiar reference material:
npr.org/2023/10/17/1183551603/…
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Oggie

Just got cross linked an article that used as a premise that EV sales are going poorly because the year over year increase in sales velocity was only 49%, while it was over 60% last year.

So not the number of sales ( vastly up), not the increase in sales ( vastly up), but the % increase in the increase. But it was also in an absolute number.... because it turns out sales were down in the specific metrics they were looking at so even that was false. Was something else.

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Kevin Karhan

ROFLMAO!

Cuz no lobbyist would pay me.enough to sell my sould for that lost cause.
mstdn.social/@kkarhan/11132108…

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actually no.

#Batteries are shit and the #downtime due to #Charging is a huge cost factor.

Remember: At peak-efficiency taxis literally only.stop and turn off engines to offload/onload passengers change drivers, refuel or do unavoidable maintenance.

youtube.com/watch?v=B78-FgNqdc…
youtube.com/watch?v=SB9EARKvCT…
youtube.com/watch?v=AqHsXv7Umv…

Not to mention >99% of all airborne particle emissions are tire and brake dust.



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Major Denis Bloodnok

@argv_minus_one @mattmcirvin To a very great degree, I can do these things because I do do these things, but this is besides the point. It's some pretty serious car brain to go "problem, the municipal water supply is unfit to drink" and conclude the solution is for everyone to collect bottled water in a car (or, it being the USA, a Wankpanzer the size of Mars) and to hell with anyone who can't drive, rather than that the USA should catch up with the Victorian era.
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mjfgates

@ravenonthill @mjj @RojCowles @scott Totally doable. There are only four major routes (90, 80, 70, 40), total of maybe 20 stations. Get the feds to do it, add the chargers to existing truck stops so you're not making any new offramps. Most or all of those places *already* have functioning motels, and if the demand's there for more somebody will build them.
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@scott @ravenonthill @mjfgates @mjj @RojCowles I think he's questioning the likely footfall at the charging-equipped motels—would it be sufficient to sustain a business.

(I'm postulating to a future where Americans refuse to give up driving but don't build out high speed rail and have to reduce their flying significantly when I propose a need for supercharger-equpped motels.)

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mjfgates

@scott @ravenonthill @mjj @RojCowles If you need the chargers, you'll need *some* amount of sleeping space, but that's really adjustable? Wyoming already has some incredibly tiny motels, like four or six rooms, on the route from I-80 to Pocatello. It's cheap to build more, it's easy to abandon them, capitalism does both of those things really well. Also the major truck stops have rooms; Little America was an entire real hotel when I last went through.
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