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Google's emissions are up over 50%, Amazon builds huge data centers powered by 75% natural gas.

Remember all those posts telling us that "AIs climate impact isn't that bad" supported by some really funky math/perspective and/or numbers Sam Altman invented?

Here's the actual impact.

"AI" is a fossil fuel technology.

nytimes.com/2025/06/24/technol…

theguardian.com/technology/202…

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…and they are trying to bring back #nuclear with #AI

While #nuclearenergy is not #fossil it not #green at all - but #colonial , #deadly & totally unfair because, like in AI, the #profits are being privatised, the costs are hitting the whole #society & the #planet

But from the point of view of someone believing in #cybernetics or one of its #TESCREAL grandchildren it is great - because in cybernetics EVERY problem will be solved in "the future" by "technology"

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@Katika Everything may be true. But everyone uses AI, nobody wants to do without it. Then I'd rather use nuclear power, which is low in CO2, than coal and gas.
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@Kuttenfunker @Katika not "everyone" uses AI. Adaption is way lower than LinkedIn makes you think (because of lack of quality, political reasons, security issues etc.).

"AI" is neither everywhere nor inevitable

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the whole AI bubble imploding would be the most beneficial outcome for humanity. I just fear, it won't happen anytime soon 😩

@Kuttenfunker @Katika

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@Katika Let's wait and see. When humanity can be monitored and controlled for the benefit of a few. Smartphones with AI alone should make people sit up and take notice. But noooo Google Pixel 83201, with AI super brain for €1 in the Jamba Spar subscription. And you break down the doors.
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@Kuttenfunker @Katika

I believe that it's not an either/or - as in not being able to use AI environmentally friendly and ethically.

AIs specialised on limited tasks can be trained with smaller datasets, we could slow the expansion of data centers and wait till the technology doesn't consume as much power anymore (remember the cooling a computer with less power than your phone needed 10-20 years ago?)

The science is advancing, algorithms are being developed that reduce the needed model size, etc.

But what we see is a "cool" technology under capitalism. Big corporations want to exploit it *fast* and *first*. "The winner takes it all". It's a brutalist approach - just throw size, growth and resources at it.

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@Kuttenfunker @Katika And currently it's mostly junk we don't need. I'm sick of getting chat bots thrown at me at every corner.

Engineers who have no idea what they are doing just throw the largest LLMs at things instead of designing task specific software.

Generative AI with its hallucinations is ruining quality everywhere...

But the problem won't go away without some kind of regulation.

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@scatty_hannah @Kuttenfunker @Katika

The purpose the Niagara of money being thrown at AI is from the delusion that they will create AGI because the platform billionaires have convinced themselves they’re in a winner take call race, where “win” is totalitarian control of everyone everything in the world.

Each of them say that they are the only one that will use it for good. If you don’t know who or what NRx is it’s time to read a little about it. They are bonkers.

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Indeed. And it already became lower where people recognized they were deceived by marketing.
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@Kuttenfunker
Well, not everyone. Some by choice, some by not having access

And nuclear is only low in CO2 if you find a ready build nuclear power plant and a store of ready-to-use nuclear fuel

And do not take any of the storage/treatment of waste into your calculation

And… much more

Nuclear is deadly. And shifts responsibility to later generation that were not asked nor do they profit

We do not even have a form of communication that can exist as long as nuclear is deadly

@Marc
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Google is bying SMR 😬
tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/techn…
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When the Saudis are throwing $100 billion at products no one wants... AI, cryptocurrency, state surveillance
washingtonpost.com/technology/…

bloomberg.com/news/articles/20…

politico.com/newsletters/power…

thebulletin.org/2025/06/trumps…

bloomberg.com/news/articles/20…

Tech oligarchs got that flood of investment by promising that fossil fuels would never be phased out, no matter the urgency.
desmog.com/2025/04/22/ai-energ…

404media.co/a-black-hole-of-en…

desmog.com/2022/03/31/exxon-co…

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I remember when someone was arguing with me that AI had less impact than most other digital activities, then showed me a graph of *household* power usage for each activity. Yeah, no shit submitting a text query to ChatGPT's server takes little to no power from your wall's power outlet, but since that guy was a software professional, he should be well aware that the power-wasting processing that generates the responses happens in a data center somewhere.
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and we still need to remind ourselves:

non-fossile fuels are only carbon-neutral, after emitted carbon-dioxide is again bound in wood or other plants.

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please stop calling it “natural gas” it’s methane a huge contributor to global catastrophe
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Good news for the European Union and it's future with AI

"With its decarbonized, abundant electricity supply, expanding high-voltage electric grid and more than 30 ready-to-use, low-carbon AI sites throughout the country, France is poised to become one of the world’s greenest leaders in artificial intelligence."
forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/202…

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@hadon France has the problem of creating a lot of their power in nuclear power plants that they have to shit down in the summer cause rivers are too hot to cool them
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That happened once (I believe it was in 2022 ) because there was not enough rain during that year. So, it's not a problem (it's not chronic).
In fact, if you check facts for this year, water levels were already great in mars:
terre-net.fr/irrigation/articl…
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@NoBorg @tante It’s becoming chronic because of climate change: long periods of heat, drought, winters without enough snow in the mountains, etc.

This ist now, 3 days ago: independent.co.uk/news/world/e… and bloomberg.com/news/articles/20… etc.

Climate collapse doesn’t happen with a single BOOM. It happens by more and more „smaller“ catastrophes within increasingly shorter intervals.

Power cuts during a 40°C heat wave are one of those catastrophes.

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@jaddy
The reason why they may lower production, it's because France has high environmental limits to protect flora and fauna. It's not due to some sort of nuclear catastrophe danger, it's just that France is very protective with its wildlife.
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@jaddy
"Power plants draw in cold water, use it to cool nuclear reactors and spent fuel storage pools, and then release it hotter.

However, this hot water discharge is subject to strict temperature limits to protect flora and fauna – an unusual rise in water temperature, even by a few degrees, is highly detrimental to aquatic biodiversity."
bfmtv.com/economie/entreprises…

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@jaddy
The loss of electricity is negligible, it doesn't represent even 1% of annual production, in average it represents just 0.3% of annual production, at a time where it's less needed too.

"According to the group, since 2000, losses in nuclear production due to environmental causes (high temperature and low river flow) have represented on average 0.3% of the annual production of the nuclear fleet."
bfmtv.com/economie/entreprises…

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@jaddy
And anyhow, electricity consumption in France is lower during summer, so, it's usual to lower production.
It's also for that same reason (lower consumption) that maintenance work is scheduled during the summer season.
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Missing actual impact in meaningful global context. We can do better.

Data centers accounted for around 1.5% of the world’s electricity consumption in 2024.

Data centers will use twice as much energy by 2030 — driven by AI use... but that's just 10% of global electricity demand 𝗴𝗿𝗼𝘄𝘁𝗵 to 2030, less than the share from industrial motors, air conditioning in homes and offices, or electric vehicles.

Meaningful, yes. But just part of the new demand.

iea.org/reports/energy-and-ai

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@Kuttenfunker @art_histories @TomSwirly @Katika are those magic facilities in the room with us right now?
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@art_histories @TomSwirly @Katika For nuclear waste, there are power plants that can process the nuclear waste down to a harmless amount of residual radiation.
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@TomSwirly @Katika @Kuttenfunker en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_di… - and where should the waste go? What do you want to do with it? There is no safe solution. This is just dumb. The only reason they are still talking about nuclear energy, gas and coal is that a handful of people would profit from it. Renewable energy has to be decentralized and there is not much to gain for corporations. That is the only reason they hate it so much.
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This is a deadly serious issue. You being insulting makes it very very hard to take your contribution seriously.

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even if they claim to be running purely off of renewables, we should treat them as though they're running off of coal.

Because we're only building so much renewables per year, and had the AI bullshit not consumed that capacity, that capacity could have displaced capacity from worse sources. Without AI, we'd still install the same amount of renewables capacity.

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I always get tickled when the press mentions "natural gas". That is a term invented by PR types.

It is called methane.

Is AI polluting? Of course! Wasteful? Of course!

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I saw a lengthy article explaining why an individual Chat GPT query is marginally not much emissions to debunk the claims islt uses 10 times what a Google search uses and all I could think was "so what?"

Cause on aggregate AI is adding a ton of additional emissions

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We definately should change the name of 'natural gas' since it's misleading.

LNG is tons more poluting then normal gas.

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if you use a bus, do you count those emissions as yours or the bus company’s?
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quotetoot: Jun 25, 2025, 10:21 AM
mastodon.social/@rexi/11474515…

(p.s., Mastodon: end the anal BS around #quotetoots, enough!)

#FixFusionFirst

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the weather that affects people the most is not becoming more extreme or more dangerous; temperatures were higher in the 1930s than today; between 1895 and 2015, 14 of the top 15 years with the highest heat records occurred before 1960; the temperatures we are experiencing now in 2021 were the same as 120 years ago
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What have you done to #De-Google today?

Know this fact: they've been reading your mail for 20 years now unless you've been smart enough to cancel them, and now everything they do is powered by AI.

Now wtf is with this gmail?

I absolutely do not exchange mail with people who self sabotage by using #Google. #gmail

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wow

i'm surprised the municipal electricity can just ramp up like that

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@Nonya_Bidniss
The internet was construction to be resilient to failure of any node, with many pathways. How is building a (small number) of mega-data centers contributing to resilience. Do these not represent a small number of single points of failure?
#resilience #AI #datacenters #risk