Holy shit. I just talked a cis guy on the internet down from "Let kids be kids" and got him to see why gender-affirming care for teens absolutely cannot wait.
This is one of my greatest achievements. I have a legitimate urge to take a victory lap.
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Ryan Castellucci hat dies geteilt.
Doc Impossible
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •Jaddy mag das.
teilten dies erneut
Ryan Castellucci und Sasha Göbbels 🐿️ haben dies geteilt.
Danielle Crawford
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Als Antwort auf Danielle Crawford • • •Willow, Venus Pirate 🏳️⚧️
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Als Antwort auf Willow, Venus Pirate 🏳️⚧️ • • •@Willow I don't want to call out the guy in question. He didn't sign up to be put on a bullhorn.
Would the screenshot do for you?
Willow, Venus Pirate 🏳️⚧️
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •Defiantly Sharon
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Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •Alexander The 1st
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •@shaggyzed I don't think I've ever seen Pleasers shoes, but the way you've described them in that post, I'm guessing they turn the "annoying repetitive jokes" from one end of the spectrum to the other end of the spectrum.
Which is hard to resolve because there's just the one brand trying to be the Spinal Tap of shoe making.
Doc Impossible
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Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •Ether Diver
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •Lux
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •Hi ! I've seen that your instance does not allow such long image descriptions. Here is still the transcript, so everybody can access the image's content :
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#ALT4you
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Als Antwort auf Lux • • •Unabogie for Kamala Harris
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •I love this. Everyone can understand the idea of being forced through the wrong puberty against your will. And transphobes often talk about permanent effects of gender affirming care, but never talk about the permanent effects of not getting the care you need.
But I agree with him: Let kids be kids!
Trans kids should be the kids they are, not the kids other people think they should be until they hit 18.
Irenes (many)
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •Ludovic Archivist Lagouardette
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •David P
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •#ALT4you
| when I say let kids be kids I mean in my opinion let them be as they is and they can change at the age limit.
The problem is that this isn't a harmless option. There are real, immediate, permanent, and dire consequences for for forcing a kid to live through a puberty that isn't right for them.
You seem like a dude. Imagine, for a moment, that you're twelve, and all of a sudden you start growing boobs. Like, at first, seems like a novelty, nght? Hey, look at this! Your friends make some jokes about them. Everyone laughs.
Now you're thirteen. They're still making jokes, and you're getting tired of the jokes. You try to laugh, but it's the same joke they've been making for a year now, and it's tinng. And your tits are still growing. Now they're big enough that you have to wear a bra any time you're out of bed. You can't work out shirtless, like you like. The sweat tnckles down underneath and makes your skin stick to itself. They jiggle when you run. It hurts.
Now you're fourteen. Your
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| when I say let kids be kids I mean in my opinion let them be as they is and they can change at the age limit.
The problem is that this isn't a harmless option. There are real, immediate, permanent, and dire consequences for for forcing a kid to live through a puberty that isn't right for them.
You seem like a dude. Imagine, for a moment, that you're twelve, and all of a sudden you start growing boobs. Like, at first, seems like a novelty, nght? Hey, look at this! Your friends make some jokes about them. Everyone laughs.
Now you're thirteen. They're still making jokes, and you're getting tired of the jokes. You try to laugh, but it's the same joke they've been making for a year now, and it's tinng. And your tits are still growing. Now they're big enough that you have to wear a bra any time you're out of bed. You can't work out shirtless, like you like. The sweat tnckles down underneath and makes your skin stick to itself. They jiggle when you run. It hurts.
Now you're fourteen. Your tits are still growing. Why won't they stop fucking growing? You had to throw your bras away last month and get a bunch of new ones, and your parents told you that they were so expensive that you're going to have to go without new clothes for school this year, or only get thnft ones. Your friends are still making those stupid fucking jokes. You're starting to distance yourself from them. It's lonely after school.
Now you're fifteen. The doctors say your tits are unusually large for your stage of puberty and they’re still growing. They say you'll get used to them, and if you don't like them, you can have them removed when you're eighteen. In three years. But there's a six to eight-month wait for the surgery once you're on the onramp, so it's closer to four years anyway. You had to get new bras again, and your parents made you get a job if you want new clothes for school. The customers at Burger King laugh at your tits. It's the same joke your fnends started making when you were twelve. Why does everyone think it's so fucking funny? You haven’t talked to any of them in a couple of months anyway, especially after John asked if he could squeeze one. Fucking gross. You had to quit the track team because they bounce so much, and the only sports bras that'd keep them properly immobilized so you can still run cost $100 per bra. The giris at school won't be your frend either, because you're a man, and they think a man wth tits is gross.
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David P
Als Antwort auf David P • • •#ALT4you
Now you're sixteen...
Are you starting to get the picture here? Every single trans man lives through this if he doesn't go on puberty blockers. Every single trans woman grows thicker brow and Jaw bones, has a voice that breaks and drops forever, grows and broadens, in ways that can never be undone. A torture she has to live with for the rest of her life.
I am Size 11 in Men's shoes (EU 45). On the larger size, but not too bad. But in women's sizing, I'm a 13--there are only 5 manufacturers in the entire United States who make women's shoes in my size, and one of them is Pleaser. Yes, the Pleaser who makes stripper shoes. There are entire types of women’s shoe that I literally cannot get, and if I want a pair of sneaker--plain old fashioned sneakers--I have to order them online and hope they're comfortable, because no store in my entire city stocks Size 13's.
Puberty blockers would've kept me from having to live this for the rest of my life. And that's why it's an out-and-out cruelty to force trans teens to live through the wrong puberty.
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Doc Impossible
Als Antwort auf David P • • •David P
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •Marcos Dione
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •I'm a cis man so feel free to ignore this question. OTOH, I'm asking this question from the point of view of a parent that might need to face this in the future if their kids start feeling that way.
Would be an endgoal a society were we're not longer man and woman, but just people? Would also help if people would not care how other people dress?
Context: I'm trying to raise my kids so they don't think in terms of 'this is an activity for men, this other one for women'.
Doc Impossible
Als Antwort auf Marcos Dione • • •@mdione gender abolition, which is what you're describing, is not a real goal. It's what feminists fought for in the 90s and early 00s, but has been largely abandoned for a simple reason:
Gender abolition *in practice* becomes the abolition of womanhood in less time than it takes to cook an egg. As such, attempts to do so end up reinforcing patriarchal systems of oppression, not tearing them down.
There's a lot of reasons for this, but one of the big ones is the deep-rooted treatment of the--
Doc Impossible
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •@mdione
--feminine as the marked or aberrant gender, while masculinity is natural. This comes from patriarchy itself, which treats being a man as a default state of humanity, when it isn't.
And all that ignores the fact that a lot of us--myself included--love our genders, and would never willingly give them up (th other main reason degendering immediately becomes the extermination of the feminine--men like being men).
What trans folks want is a de-charging of the power dynamics attached to--
Doc Impossible
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •@mdione
--genders, to stand down the policing of gender boundaries, and to throw the doors wide to *more* gendered categories, not fewer.
To draw an analogy, we want gender to have the same level of stigma and import as choosing what kind of cuisine to have when you go out for dinner. Right now, we're in 1950s America. You can have steak, or you can have seafood. We want 2020s America, with not just Mexican and Italian too, but Etheopian and someone's weird fusion ideas and so much more.
Marcos Dione
Als Antwort auf Marcos Dione • • •Damn character limit.
I have a girl and a boy, and the boy sometimes uses 'girly' clothes handed down from her sister. He uses and likes pink, and luckily my daughter has gone through the pink phase. Yes, not that it would be bad if she just kept on it, I hope you understand what I mean. The only thing we're not so sure about is to allow the boy to use dresses outside the house, mostly because we haven't seen others, and we're immigrants in a country we don't know that well.
Doc Impossible
Als Antwort auf Marcos Dione • • •Jaddy
Als Antwort auf Marcos Dione • •@Marcos Dione @Doc Impossible „No men and women“ no. „Less pressure from others“ yes. More self-determination. More options. Maybe think of it as „gender-styles“. It’s okay to stick to „traditional“ roles if that makes them happy - unless they press other to comply.
My main problem as a nonbinary person is, that others categorize me by sight and insist on their (binary) judgement, which is especially bad in german because of our totally binary gendered language.
Second problem, somewhat related: Too many places have two and only doors - real and metaphorical -, where a broader entrance made for all would be better for everyone.
So, let people find their gender (style). Find your own and enjoy the diversity. Don’t assume their gender (be neutral until they tell you) and don’t let them
... mehr anzeigen@Marcos Dione @Doc Impossible „No men and women“ no. „Less pressure from others“ yes. More self-determination. More options. Maybe think of it as „gender-styles“. It’s okay to stick to „traditional“ roles if that makes them happy - unless they press other to comply.
My main problem as a nonbinary person is, that others categorize me by sight and insist on their (binary) judgement, which is especially bad in german because of our totally binary gendered language.
Second problem, somewhat related: Too many places have two and only doors - real and metaphorical -, where a broader entrance made for all would be better for everyone.
So, let people find their gender (style). Find your own and enjoy the diversity. Don’t assume their gender (be neutral until they tell you) and don’t let them press you into their roles. Don’t build unnecessary categories and make rooms open, safe and suitable for all.
That would be my perfect (gender) world.
mögen das
🅰🅻🅸🅲🅴 (🌈🦄) mag das.
Marcos Dione
Als Antwort auf Jaddy • • •@jaddy
> "No men and women" no.
> Maybe think of it as „gender-styles“.
I would just leave it as "styles". I think that all the current clasifications (LGBTQ+ and, yes, C[is]) are still clasifications that not necesarily reflect every body.
I have a she friend. She had a boy friend. Then she dated some women and men, so she was bi. Then two guys, so bigamous. Now back to one guy, and now a kid. What is she? What was she?
Marcos Dione
Als Antwort auf Marcos Dione • • •@jaddy Damn character limit.
To me, just a person, my friend.
I understand that this sounds like "all lives matter", but again, I'm talking about the utopia I want.
Doc Impossible
Als Antwort auf Marcos Dione • • •@mdione @jaddy no, it doesn't.
It sounds like a white person saying "I don't see color."
These facets of ourselves are central to who we are and our experience in the world. Many, probably the significant majority of us, find a LOT of joy and vibrancy in our identities. I *like* being a lesbian, beyond just liking women, and neither you nor anyone else gets to take that away from me.
Especially as a member of the dominant group, it's not okay for someone--you--to try to collapse those things.
Jaddy mag das.
Jaddy
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • •@Doc Impossible
👆 this!
@Marcos Dione : The point is, it's not about you, it's about them. If you reduce your friend to "just a person", you probably ignore the facets that define (to them) who they are as an individual.
What I meant above is the opposite of that ignorance. It's positive acknowledgement and respect for diversity and individuality.
So, if you want to know "what" your friend "is", ask which facets are important to them and respect them.
Marcos Dione
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •@jaddy that's exactly what I'm trying to understand. I hope nothing I say here is taken as an attempt to negate what you want to do with yourself, maybe it's because I've been 'formatted' in a culture that does not have other words for this.
On one side it looks like you want to have a label for yourself. Ok, yes, naming things make them exist... maybe I should go and read... philosophy? epistemology?
I'm not sure anymore. It would be an interesting chat over some beverage.
Marcos Dione
Als Antwort auf Marcos Dione • • •@jaddy Two things to note, if it makes any difference: I'm not from US, and I don't live there. Black people to me are just people with a culture at first sight quite different to mine.
Again, I understand currently some positions have to be taken strongly just to defend a space for them to exist. I just wish you didn't had to.
Jaddy
Als Antwort auf Marcos Dione • •@Marcos Dione
Ah! Now I think I get your point. You'd like to free all beings from the (internal/external) burden/pressure to find/have/build an identity (and labels) by making the differences disappear, right?
But wouldn't that make us like drones? Not being seen as individuals, interchangeable.
I guess it would deny most basic questions all humans ask: Who am I, what's the purpose of my life, what am I good for? And ultimately: Why should I live?
But that's just academic. A society without noticable differences is simply not possible. See Intersectionality. We are not interchangeable, because in certain aspects, we need different things than others.
Trivial example: "Everyone likes and eats pineapple" - "Ah sorry, I'm allergic to that. Please don't give me anything with pineapple". So, in a way, allergies kind of define this person.
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Ah! Now I think I get your point. You'd like to free all beings from the (internal/external) burden/pressure to find/have/build an identity (and labels) by making the differences disappear, right?
But wouldn't that make us like drones? Not being seen as individuals, interchangeable.
I guess it would deny most basic questions all humans ask: Who am I, what's the purpose of my life, what am I good for? And ultimately: Why should I live?
But that's just academic. A society without noticable differences is simply not possible. See Intersectionality. We are not interchangeable, because in certain aspects, we need different things than others.
Trivial example: "Everyone likes and eats pineapple" - "Ah sorry, I'm allergic to that. Please don't give me anything with pineapple". So, in a way, allergies kind of define this person.
In a society where pineapple stuff is thought to be common, they must take care of themself, inform others of their special needs, rely on their acknowledgement and respect or they will suffer, get ill or die.
Meaning: There'll always be a norm, a mainstream, a kind of common majority, therefore there'll alwys be some who don't fit, can't fit, suffer, get ill or die from it.
Every difference to the (non existent) "norm" comes with some burden, because of the difference. (you scrape along the norm simple by being yourself)
I agree that we should lessen that burden, but denying or being blind to it won't help. It would only make being different harder.
So, the best way to make life easier is to embrace diversity, rsp celebrate infinite diversity in infinite combinations 🖖
HTH
@Doc Impossible
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Marcos Dione hat dies geteilt.
Doc Impossible
Als Antwort auf Jaddy • • •Marcos Dione
Als Antwort auf Jaddy • • •@jaddy
> You'd like to free all beings from the (internal/external) burden/pressure to find/have/build an identity (and labels) by making the differences disappear, right?
Au contraire, you can have any identity you want. I think what I would like is no judgment. I have a conflict with labels and I think that is the cause of all this thread, which I find awesome.
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Marcos Dione
Als Antwort auf Marcos Dione • • •@jaddy 2/2
Nobody is interchangeable, none of my friends are. If they change, I change with them. I was just remembering I do have a trans friend¹. We never met in person after they transitioned.... "they". I used that because I don't know their preference.
I also have an internal conflict with names/deadnames. I live in a country where people can't properly pronounce my name, much less my daughter's. [oh, crap, again]
¹ Yes, I know, "I have black friends".
Marcos Dione
Als Antwort auf Marcos Dione • • •She thinks she has a Spanish name and a French name.
At the same time, that first friend I mentioned, she changed her name. She had an unusual name and created a conflict. She has a new name (and an Italian name, and a French one), but I still call her by a nickname based on her old name. And I still have the reflex of calling my trans friend by their deadname... I said I change with them, but change is hard :(
Jaddy
Als Antwort auf Marcos Dione • •@Marcos Dione
So it seems we are not very far apart in what we want.
I agree, that change can be hard: Ask people who transition(1).
And I acknowledge, that it may be sometimes annoying to remember the name changes, pronouns etc. Most of us are not (yet) used to this, therefore it's irritating, makes things more complicating. Also for "us".
I understand that e.g. cis people would sometimes like to cry out "don't make such a fuss about it" - as long as it's not meant for real.
There're many times when I want to shout the same, with the reverse meaning.
Because in the end, cis and trans suffer from the same purely cultural system aka social construct called hetero-cis-binary normativity we were trained and which exists all around us.
You sound like a person with good will and a true ally and you have your own experiences with "being the problem"
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So it seems we are not very far apart in what we want.
I agree, that change can be hard: Ask people who transition(1).
And I acknowledge, that it may be sometimes annoying to remember the name changes, pronouns etc. Most of us are not (yet) used to this, therefore it's irritating, makes things more complicating. Also for "us".
I understand that e.g. cis people would sometimes like to cry out "don't make such a fuss about it" - as long as it's not meant for real.
There're many times when I want to shout the same, with the reverse meaning.
Because in the end, cis and trans suffer from the same purely cultural system aka social construct called hetero-cis-binary normativity we were trained and which exists all around us.
You sound like a person with good will and a true ally and you have your own experiences with "being the problem" for others.
Maybe a different mindset could help lessen your burden. Instead of focusing on labels and why they are so important for some people, target the system that forces us to emphasize labels and names and pronouns. It's our common enemy.
(1) I started at 52, because nonbinary wasn't an available or "thinkable" label before. And like @Doc Impossible wrote: "We cannot live a life we cannot imagine, and we cannot imagine a life we cannot describe." No words: no image: no life.
Marcos Dione
Als Antwort auf Jaddy • • •@jaddy not sure irritating. SOmetimes it's awkward when I talk about them with a 3rd party that might know them from before, but might not know of the change.
You also previously mentioned people from the fringes of normal. I have two celiac friends. Once I invited one of them to a barbeque. It took me 5 knifes to remember not to cut meat with the same knife I cut bread. After that we only bought celiac bread for such occasions.
Jaddy mag das.
Marcos Dione
Als Antwort auf Marcos Dione • • •Finally, I think I can get even closer. I have recently separated/divorced. Right now I'm "alergic" to my ex, so the less I see her the better. Maybe it's similar to what you feel about your pre-transition self. Maybe once we'll get over it and be at peace.
Jaddy mag das.
Doc Impossible
Als Antwort auf Marcos Dione • • •@mdione @jaddy in general, any attempt to collapse complexity of identity is just a veiled attempt to force minorities to conform to the dominant way of being, sometimes with small accommodations but often not even that.
Identities like trans or lesbian--these words with distinctions--are how we come to understand *our own experiences*. I didn't realize I was trans until I was 35 *because I thought people like me couldn't be trans*. It was only through expanding and exploring that identity--
Jaddy mag das.
Doc Impossible
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •@mdione @jaddy
--that I could recognize and embrace one of the most important parts of who I am.
So, yeah, when a cis, het guy talks about making that all go away? What I hear is a world where I would've been trapped in manhood forever, with no way out, because there weren't words for me to describe who I am. And saying "oh, we can just do/be whatever" is an absolute fairy tale in a world where prescribed gender is *everywhere*.
And even if it weren't, that's not a resonant experience for me.
Doc Impossible
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •@mdione @jaddy Gender--womanhood--is vital and wonderful to me. It's a horror, and nothing less, to hear people wanting to collapse it, especially men.
Y'all don't get to do that. You don't get to take that away from me and my sistren.
Marcos Dione
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •@jaddy
> saying "oh, we can just do/be whatever" is an absolute fairy tale in a world where prescribed gender is *everywhere*.
Right, this is the crux of the thing with me. I try to live in the world I want, and I almost lost job opportunities because of that¹. Maybe I should try to hand down a watered down version of that.
¹ Just wearing sweatpants to an interview because they're warm and comfy in cold weather.
Jaddy mag das.
Marcos Dione
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •@jaddy so an ideal world would be the freedom to try new experiences, and adopt (or not) things from them, without being judged?
It's interesting because I used to label myself as a geek and hacker, but now I feel like I outgrew those labels. True, cis mostly white but poor male¹, I had many advantages that you probably didn't.
¹ Part of the reason I want to outgrow labels comes from my origins. I was born in South America, but I have mostly European 1/2
Jaddy mag das.
Marcos Dione
Als Antwort auf Marcos Dione • • •@jaddy 2/2
... European blood, apparently with a touch of Black blood. I came to Europe as an immigrant and had to share our/their precarity until I obtained my Italian citizenship (via those European ancestors). Now I'm administratively treated differently and I kinda hate it, I'm the same person.
Also, while filling up form for US/UK border, what am I? Latino? White? I can't say Black, but c'mon!
Jaddy mag das.
Doc Impossible
Als Antwort auf Marcos Dione • • •@mdione @jaddy yes, and growing out of labels is a normal thing--as is growing into them.
Labels and identities, self-made, are ways of describing ways of being. To destroy the way of describing how you are a thing is to destroy your ability to be it at all. We cannot live a life we cannot imagine, and we cannot imagine a life we cannot describe.
Jaddy mag das.
Softwarewolf
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •Zumbador
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •Yes as a nonbinary person, this rings true.
I would have described what it was like to suddenly have a body that apparently belonged to anyone who looked at you, e even total strangers, and what it was like getting periods, both the physical pain and the embarrassment.
That was back in the 80s and decades before I heard of body dysphoria, so I didn't even know what I was experiencing.
Doc Impossible
Als Antwort auf Zumbador • • •@Zumbador I tried to focus on the breasts because cis guys just have absolutely no frame of reverence to understand periods. I think that's why they're so damn weird about them, you know?
But they can understand breasts. They can understand a physical part of your body, and how other guys sexualize it, feel entitled to it, ostracize you over it.
So anyway, that's why I took that approach. It's only one part, but it's one part they can visualize, that they can comprehend.
quintessence
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •This is awesome and thank you for sharing.
I remember I had a convo with a cis gay former therapist of mine who wasn't on board with puberty blockers, but was with trans healthcare overall, only to find out he had been grossly misinformed about how puberty blockers work hence his concern.
12 Freya it/its𒀭𒈹𒍠𒊩
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •Doc Impossible
Als Antwort auf 12 Freya it/its𒀭𒈹𒍠𒊩 • • •Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •Raj 🇬🇧🇪🇺💻🖥️ 🔶 (🌻🇺🇦)
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •Samantha (Disaster Bimbo Arc)
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •Enjoy the victory lap. Take a second one!
Doc Impossible
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Ether Diver
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •EduCoder
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •that's a really good perspective to share. As a cis straight middle aged white guy, I'm now equipped to explain how I feel about supporting trans youth. Honestly, it's hard to tell you how much that means to me, because I've known people like that, but haven't had the words to explain. I know in my heart, but now I can explain it as well.
Once again, THANK YOU very very much.
Much love from this ignorant privileged fool to you. ♥️♥️
kimu
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •Doc Impossible
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •nullpotential
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •You changed someone's mind?
...on the internet...?
...
are you sure...?
Doc Impossible
Als Antwort auf nullpotential • • •lucas
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •Debbie Goldsmith 🏳️⚧️♾️🇺🇦⧖
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Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •Law (they/them)
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Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Doc Impossible
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Sören Meyer-Eppler
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •Doc Impossible
Als Antwort auf Sören Meyer-Eppler • • •@BuschnicK I mean, a lot of people DO have a pretty developed sense of self by the time they're teens. Not mature for sure, but they know who they're attracted to and who they are, pretty fundamentally.
In fantasizing teens helps nobody.
Sören Meyer-Eppler
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •infantilising
The standard deviation must be huge though. And for better or worse as a society we've decided to exclude teenagers from voting, driving, smoking, drinking alcohol, working, signing contracts etc. I for one wouldn't have trusted myself getting a tattoo at that age. Let alone do more permanent body modifications to myself...
Doc Impossible
Als Antwort auf Sören Meyer-Eppler • • •Edit: apologies. Wow, the autocorrect on my phone fucked that up.
And I honestly don't care what you feel about yourself as a teen; it says far more about you than anyone else. I care about what the data says, and the data is *crystal clear*. Trans teens know what they're doing, make the right decisions, and are very happy with the outcomes many years down the line.
publications.aap.org/pediatric…
Gender Identity 5 Years After Social Transition
Olson, Kristina R. (American Academy of Pediatrics)Jaddy mag das.
FinalOverdrive
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •And for kids too.
These medical professionals are not quacks or butchers. I hope you got him to see that too.
FinalOverdrive
Als Antwort auf FinalOverdrive • • •Doc Impossible
Als Antwort auf FinalOverdrive • • •@FinalOverdrive No, there aren't. Not except for forced surgeries on intersex kids. It's an absolute transphobic myth that little kids get surgeries; over 90% of all surgeries on minors in the US (almost 95%, but not quite) are top surgeries for transmasculine people.
About twenty bottom surgeries are performed on minors each year in the US, and virtually all of them are on 17+ year Olds.
Doc Impossible
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Als Antwort auf FinalOverdrive • • •Doc Impossible
Als Antwort auf FinalOverdrive • • •@FinalOverdrive Never.
The youngest ever recorded was at 13, and there were several extenuating circumstances in that case beyond sys, as I understand it.
Simply the mechanics involved--typically a year on blockers before hrt is allowed, and two years there before surgery can even be considered, plus 1-2 years of genital electrolysis before bottom surgery is even *possible*--
The logistical problems are almost insurmountable to even *do* bottom surgery on a minor.
FinalOverdrive
Als Antwort auf Doc Impossible • • •Doc Impossible
Als Antwort auf FinalOverdrive • • •@FinalOverdrive okay, no. There are a host of extremely skilled gender-affirming surgeons in the US, including most of the generally agreed upon best in the world. Where on earth did you get Thailand from for this?
I would encourage you to do some serious self-education, friend. You managed to pick up a surprisingly high number of misconceptions about transness and how surgeries are done, including things which are borderline or outright transphobic.
Trans Bodies, Trans Selves is a good start.