Let's be clear. This is a car. Four wheels. It weighs 225 kg empty and you can add up to 200 kg of cargo. That's not an electric bike, as the manufacturer claims it is. This is a small car that occupies and blocks the bike lane. This concept shouldn't exist. Us cyclists already have to deal with bad infrastructure. I see this as a provocation, not as the positive change it pretends to be. Such vehicles belong on the road, not the bike lane.
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Eric Goodwin
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •𝓐𝓷𝓲𝓴𝓴𝓮 🌻 🚴 ♀
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Peter Brown
Als Antwort auf 𝓐𝓷𝓲𝓴𝓴𝓮 🌻 🚴 ♀ • • •And whilst they are all wider than a two wheeled bicycle they are all a massive step towards sustainability, so should be encouraged as such.,
Jan Wildeboer 😷
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •The intention is made clear by the manufacturer. This vehicle is specifically designed to be used on bike lanes, to avoid being stuck in car traffic. In practice this obviously means it'll block the bike lane or sidewalk while delivery is done, which can take minutes.
"Designed for Cycling infrastructure
eQuad Width 36 inches (910 mm)"
fernhay.com/equad/
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admin (Fernhay)Jeremiah C. Foster 🇸🇪🇺🇸
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Jan Wildeboer 😷
Als Antwort auf Jeremiah C. Foster 🇸🇪🇺🇸 • • •Jeremiah C. Foster 🇸🇪🇺🇸
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Jan Wildeboer 😷
Als Antwort auf Jeremiah C. Foster 🇸🇪🇺🇸 • • •Lee O.
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Quixoticgeek
Als Antwort auf Jeremiah C. Foster 🇸🇪🇺🇸 • • •@jeremiah_ yes. as long as it's not tampered with.
The difference is modern bike lane standards in the Netherlands are over 1.5m wide, and increasingly we have fietstraats which are several meters wide.
The issue isn't the pedal assist delivery vehicle. The issue is poor cycle infrastructure.
Jeremiah C. Foster 🇸🇪🇺🇸
Als Antwort auf Quixoticgeek • • •MarjorieR
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •I can see such barriers becoming more necessary. Or maybe these vehicles just need to be banned from cycleways.
trusty falxter 🧠
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •I would disagree in theory and from practical experience. It is not legal (at least in Germany) to park a bicycle on the bike lane. There are already a few of these box van-like cargo bikes on the road in Leipzig. In contrast to the regular delivery vans, I have not yet seen such a cargo bike blocking the bike lane (but probably they will some day, like the regular vans). At the end of the day, these vehicles don't really take up any more traffic space than the traditional postal service cargo bikes. If they partially replace delivery vans, I can only see improvements.
In my view, the main problem is that there is a lack of loading zones everywhere and couriers and suppliers are therefore breaking the traffic rules.
OddOpinions5
Als Antwort auf trusty falxter 🧠 • • •lack if loading zones
that is so good
really, a lot of the problem, and no one talks about it
Carina C. Zona
Als Antwort auf trusty falxter 🧠 • • •@flxtr +1. This type of electric assist miniature vehicle is widely used for deliveries in Berlin. I see several in use daily, but have never seen one parked in a bike lane. They're great for reducing combustion fleets and bringing small/mid-sized packages nearer to the door so that couriers don't have as much physical strain. If they were blocking bike lanes, that would certainly be unacceptable. But then deal with that legal violation. More ebikes and fewer big combustion vehicles is not something I'm willing to demonize without evidence that they're causing actual harm.
Incidentally, when delivery vans don't feel compelled to appropriate bus stops as loading zones, adoption of these smaller vehicles served as a big win for riders of public transit. These vehicles tuck easily onto parts of the curb that are not designated for either the walking lane or the bike lane. Sidewalks in Berlin are designed very differently than in the U.S., so that kind of public space sharing wouldn't be as seamless. But it can work.
Jan Wildeboer 😷
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •For us (older?) Europeans it is hard to see why this monstrosity is a bike when we associate this kind of vehicle with the Piaggio Ape (soon coming back es electric vehicle, the Fiat Tris) which is of similar size but is classified as car (or motorbike, depending on version and country) and of course not allowed to use the bike lane.
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Rob van Kan
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Jan Wildeboer 😷
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Quixoticgeek
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Jan Wildeboer 😷
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •eQuad and the Circular Economy: Green Cities in Action - Fernhay
admin (Fernhay)Tuchowski
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •bison ✅
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •thats a car
R_Stieltjes
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •John Francis 🦫🇨🇦🍁💪⬆️
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Artur Neumann
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •9Lukas5 🚂 🐧
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Dianora (Diane Bruce)
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Sibrosan
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Having a width of 910 mm, it definitely can't qualify as a bicycle in The Netherlands, so it would be illegal to drive it on a bicycle lane here.
In other words, no, it doesn't belong on the bike lane.
Darren du Nord
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •jeancf
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •JamesK
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Jan Wildeboer 😷
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •cargocycle - cargocycle
cargocycleThe Penguin of Evil
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Chris Ellis
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •would probably hope it has better tyres and brakes than it looks like it does.
But would probably agree that quadracycles should not really be in bike lanes. Guess it's an area where law needs to keep up, to stop these things fitting in the gaps.
Juho Mäntysalo
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •It's obviously better on all fronts than a car: more effective engine, less dead weight, less wear on streets etc.
If these things fit poorly on traffic categories, or are less tolerable than a car (for whatever reason), the problem is one of categories, not of the cargo-whatevers.
Jan Wildeboer 😷
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •The more I look, the more I find. The CityShuttle ePack 4. Yes, this is legally considered a bicycle and allowed to use the bike lane. In Germany the total length of such a combination can theoretically be up to 18.75m (!) as mastodon.social/@streetcoder/1… points out. (this model in the picture is 5.0m long) cityshuttle.co.uk
streetcoder
The more I look, the more I find. The CityShuttle ePack 4. Yes, this is legally considered a bicycle and allowed to use the bike lane. In Germany the total length of such a combination can theoretically be up to 18.75m (!) as mastodon.social/@streetcoder/1… points out. (this model in the picture is 5.0m long) cityshuttle.co.uk
streetcoder
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Ben Hardill
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •MinmiTheDino
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •GinkelKarin 🇪🇺 🇺🇦🟥
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •How does this "thing" take the turns without tipping over, I wonder?
StarkRG
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Mark Stosberg
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •In my city there is a main three lane road through the city center. They are considering making it two lanes and using the extra space for bike lanes. But one reason it hasn’t happened is that there needs to be a solution for making deliveries downtown. Right now the semis will park in a lane of traffic and cars go around.
So to ask a different question: if sharing the bike lane with deliveries enabled having bike lanes at all, would you take the bike lanes?
Tomasz Oryński
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •I would have no issue seeing it on bike lanes like that: youtu.be/QBViPM8OGFY?si=9BUYu0…
But of course not on the narrow ones.
I guess just like trucks can't go into every streets, such contraptions should not be allowed to every bike lane. In Poland we even already have a sign for that which prevents cargo bikes from entering said road / cycle path.
- YouTube
youtu.beLu 🇦🇲
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Lien Rag
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •theKP
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Sam Easterby-Smith
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •I’m with @quixoticgeek on this. These things, which we are now seeing all over Manchester UK (branded Zedify and Amazon mostly) are a huge improvement over cars and vans for last mile deliveries. They are part of the solution and we need to make our infra catch up - which would better facilitate all the other kinds of cargo bikes, adapted bikes etc.
Of course if they do stop in the bike lane for a bag of chips they deserve to incur the wrath of other users.
Peter Jakobs ⛵
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Paul Schoonhoven 🍋🍉
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •legislation on this subject is a disaster (for everyone: lawmakers, manufacturers, the public and even advocates.)
But we all are waiting for a miracle.
As -all citizen- make use of it one way or another it should be very simple and clear.
(But law makers want exceptions because of ... (Let them explain and shiver🙈)
trusty falxter 🧠
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Dave Mc
Als Antwort auf trusty falxter 🧠 • • •screwlisp
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Jakob (Jack/Jackie)
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •While I tend to go with the street with wider vehicles (legally-a-bike driving sofa :3) if the bike lane isn't really wide, it would be really annoying to ban cargo bikes and the like completely (at least in Vienna there are places that are extremely hard to reach if you don't want to go over a four lane bridge and can't take the bike line). 1/2
Flaming Cheeto
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Osma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •@jwildeboer
Paul_IPv6
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •BenAveling
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •I might change my mind when I see it, but having thought about this overnight, my current reaction is that having more of these and fewer cars sounds like a win.
joui
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •thejikz
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •For safety of course, a unit could be put back into the car lanes by a single passing bike rider for temporary storage by tipping it right onto the adjacent car lane if found "disabled" in the bike lane. Pretty nice feature, smart! :B
Schrecke
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Why do people look so angry at electric and/or human powered vehicles, as long as they are not „normal“ bikes?
ben
Als Antwort auf Schrecke • • •@Schrecke I think because this is being intentionally designed and marketed to use the limited active-transport infrastructure and so reduce capacity for other users, for only the benefit of the company behind it. This doesn’t _need_ to use a cycle lane, it would be perfectly safe in a normal road. It’s cynical, I think.
(And yes, it would all be better if there was more and better cycling infrastructure — but there isn’t, and this company is doing nothing to solve that, just taking from what is there already.)
Schrecke
Als Antwort auf ben • • •@benjamineskola Was out with normal bike and trailer today for collecting placards. Took almost an hour. Zero conflicts with others on road or pavement or … Colleague needed 2 hours last year by car, with 2 persons working. They had conflicts with cars, pedestrians, bikers. Same locations, same timeframe.
It is all about taking a car for work or something smaller and smarter.
@jwildeboer
ben
Als Antwort auf Schrecke • • •Owen
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Amsterdam cyclist here,.. tl/dr; maybe.
It's not just these, there are lots of different boxy, too fast, electric-pedal hybrids causing problems on the bike paths.
Things are building to a head, it's chaos on suburban bike paths right now and the pedestrians and pedal cyclists (eg me) are being bullied by the new 'kings of the road' just like we were by the old ones.. It's like a repeat of the 70's situation that birthed bike movement, hopefully we can reclaim the bicycle paths for bicycles.
Oh, and dont get me started about the Microcars (wider, heavier and faster), I want every one of them found on a bike path confiscated and recycled. At the drivers expense.
Edited for typos and comprehensibility
diabhoil
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Chancerubbage
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •@cmthiede
But I am in favor of smaller courier vehicles however they exist. Cities were not really built for semis pulling 53 foot trailers. That used to be rails job. I would welcome legislation that prohibited trucks longer than 25 feet without permit. Make fleets smaller more numerous more drivers.
Riku Voipio
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Well I think it's still positive, even if counting these as cars is cringe. I mean the alternative is packages continue to be delivered by big vans on roads, and people keep saying car-part of road is critical infrastructure.
The more busy and Crowded bike paths are, the easier it is to convince people to make bike paths wider. Or the logical next step, dutch-style bicycle streets 😊
Koen Hufkens, PhD
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •I think technically I would not object to these on principle. The DHL recumbent ones are nice. But the key difference there is visibility and assisted driving - this tall setup blocks any visibility and look like plain electric vehicles with a poor excuse for pedaling (i.e. it is not a bike). Contrary to the DHL one, no way you drive this back to a lot if the electrics go out.
velove.se/news/city-containers…
More City Containers in new pilot with DHL Express in Frankfurt and Utrecht
www.velove.se_cryptagion [he/him]
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •CM Thiede
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Mistor Jog Jog
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Ciara
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •I see this as a provocation too. This is a car using a bike lane to avoid traffic – the same entitled mentality as people who choose the quiet carriage of the train because they want the peace for themselves, but feel entitled to talk on their own phone when they want.
For quicker delivery of heavier and bulkier items using bike lanes, I prefer to see something like these.
arjankroonen
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •atlovato
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Wilfried Klaebe
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •In the Netherlands, bike lanes often are wide enough (and tough enough) to allow ambulances. I think that is a very good idea. Also, it would help here - iff delivery guys took their vehicles out of the way of ambulances in time.
@quixoticgeek
RejZoR
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Mathaetaes
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •If you look at the silver lining, though... as large corporations start to take advantage of bike lanes, it may increase demand for safe bike lanes.
Imagine if the lobbying power of Amazon put it's weight behind safe biking infrastructure. US cities would rapidly start looking more like Amsterdam and less like a car-filled game of Frogger
Quixoticgeek
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •[160 BPM]
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •John Q McDonald
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Mathaetaes
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Yes, this is true. But lobbying ensures your tax dollars are going to go towards "free" infrastructure either way.
At least this way, some of that might be for safe biking.
Dave Mc
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •:thilo:
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Riku Voipio
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •they did expand the standard minimum width of one-way bicycle lane from 1.5m to 2m recently so a cargo bike can pass another.
The picture above is from USA, where clearly no such minimum is observed.
Dave Mc
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •surely the energy footprint is going to be a hell of a lot lower, even compared to an electric truck.
What about these?
urbantricycles.co.uk/cargo-tri…
Cargo Trike - Urban Tricycles
Urban TricyclesGalbinus Caeli
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Sunny
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •You're gonna hate me....
I have to slow down and have 100% of my visibility blocked in a normal traffic lane by UPS vans, city busses, school busses, delivery trucks, etc.... And it drives me insane! All while there's an empty bike lane next to me.
HOWEVER.....
Why is it any different when they block YOUR lane??? Seriously!!! Motorists have to be patient and deal with this exact same annoyance, in the public's interest.
Why shouldn't you?
I support cycling and strongly believe in affording anybody in smaller less visible vehicles than my own, extra caution.
Every package in that UPS represents someone who stayed off the roads, out of their car, and ordered their stuff online. They're contributing heavily to getting cars off roads and cleaner air.
Be patient. Maybe it will turn at the next signal.
Lokjo - a European online map
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •We have them here in germany and they just park on the road-part, not on the bicycle lane.
I see it as a real good thing to fix traffic jams. (when parking on the road part)
If you want to fix this delivery-object problem you should aim at the 'demand' part, which is people ordering from them, not the 'deliver' part.
p.s. I'm far from a supporter for delivery corporations and never use them for obvious reasons, but I think this is progress.
trusty falxter 🧠
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •@cczona But wouldn't there be much more traffic on the bike lanes if everyone rides individually to the pickup point for their package?
At my local pickup store (Post/DHL), you also wait at least 10mins to get your package (20mins at peak times). So at any time there are about 10 people or more at the store who need to park their bike around that place.
My thought now is: These ten people occupying 2m plus safety margin of a bike lane while riding, and 0.8 by 2 square meters parking space on the sidewalk around the pickup place while waiting to check out, could be one person with a cargo bike, occupying 3m of a bike lane plus safety margin while riding, and 0.9 by 3 square meters parking space (roadway, sidewalk, loading zone, parking lot) while delivering. Am I wrong?
Galbinus Caeli
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Carl-Henrik Barnekow
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Isn’t the key definition of a bike is that it’s mode of transportation that is moved by the rider using their feet on pedals. Then that can be used with electric support and different number of wheels.
But yes, that is indeed a very narrow car.
commitcompanion
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Sine-Nomine🇵🇸Free Palestine🇵🇸
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •ren (is fairy eyelashes) 🎶
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Yes!!! But….
(I kinda want one)
Demian
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •trusty falxter 🧠
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •M Dell
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Falling forward 🌵
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •trusty falxter 🧠
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Tony Hoyle
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •stevenray
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •maybe street / sidewalk design needs to catch up to the addition of these bike delivery things.
If spots were created such that delivery vehicles could pull out of the bike lane and into a cutout in the sidewalk, they'd be closer to business addresses for deliveries and out of the way of bicyclists.
Quixoticgeek
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Sam Easterby-Smith
Als Antwort auf Quixoticgeek • • •Quixoticgeek
Als Antwort auf Sam Easterby-Smith • • •Sam Easterby-Smith
Als Antwort auf Sam Easterby-Smith • • •@quixoticgeek the problem is that if those of us who advocate for walking & cycling start saying these things are in some way bad, the nuance gets lost and they get blanket banned. Just like e-scooters did in the UK (and it’s now a hell of a pickle trying to get them un-banned).
Better infra. Better infra. Better infra. All day better infra!
Quixoticgeek
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Basil
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Jeremiah C. Foster 🇸🇪🇺🇸
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Sam Easterby-Smith
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Quixoticgeek
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •trusty falxter 🧠
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Quixoticgeek
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Sunny
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •I meant what I wrote... no creative interpretations needed.
I'm amused by your reaction to the situation, not denying your point. 🙂 I think its valid. If the "powers that be" want to run EV's in the bike lanes, then don't set the expectation that its a bicycle only lane.
And by the way... I love cycling, I support more bike lanes and better development of safe zones around them.
BUT... I'm glad you're the one stuck behind that UPS micro-truck and I'm not! That's what driving in traffic is about. 🤣
JWcph, Radicalized By Decency
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •"But if we classify it as a car & put it on the road it will disrupt traffic!" - my brother in Zeus, it's already disrupting traffic; did you forget that traffic isn't defined as "just the cars" & also includes bikes, pedestrians etc.?
Maybe it's time to disrupt car traffic? Maybe being unwilling to inconvenicence car drivers even a little is a big part of every traffic problem there is...?
Ranga Kullenga
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •karbikes.com/en/
alihan_banan
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •but car fanatics want to have 4 by 2 meters metal coffin on high suspension and massive v8 engine that consumes 10 liters on oil per km and screams, like their mothers on, khem, ahem, i better not continue this one.
And that's all for a helicopter mother to drive their only kid to school in the morning and then to football club in the afternoon
LovesTha🥧
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Greengordon
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •They look like they'd tip over easily. One way to clear the bike lane.
"Let's be clear. This is a car. Four wheels. It weighs 225 kg by itself and you can add up to 200 kg of cargo. That's not an electric bike, as the manufacturer claims it is. This is a small car that occupies and blocks the bike lane. This shouldn't exist. Us cyclists already have to deal with bad infrastructure. I see this as a provocation, not as the positive change it pretends to be."
don't buy it
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Juho Mäntysalo
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •I don't disagree about the bike lanes.
What I was trying to say that existence of these chimaeras might let us explore more the speed of car traffic in cities (25kmh is plenty on areas with traffic lights at every juncture, and junctures every 100 metres), and how heavy cars we allow into city centres in the first place.
(Also I feel that cities should have dedicated and ubiquitous parking for short stops for unloading etc.)
glutto
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •tessarakt
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •MeaningfulBits.eth
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Jakob (Jack/Jackie)
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •(And just to state that clearly: I'd hate to see UPS trucks on the bike lane)
Ivor Hewitt
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Christian M. 🇮🇹🇸🇪⚽❤️🤍
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •tlariv
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Brian Smith
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •They are a very good idea when they replace a large van.
But...
They are too wide to pass each other on a lot of the painted cycle lanes in the UK.
and
are too big/fast to share space with pedestrians.
I tend to think they should be on the road but able to travel at the urban speed limit (20mph/35?kph) or (30mph/ 50kph) depending on local regulations.
Schrecke
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •The elephant in the room looks like justifying car use by discrediting unusual bike-like vehicles.
@benjamineskola
ben
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •ben
Als Antwort auf Schrecke • • •@Schrecke Nobody here is advocating car use. The problem (which has been stated several times) is things that are not bikes being cynically classified as bikes to permit them to use bike infrastructure, for the benefit of corporations.
I think this only harms actual bike users by taking up infrastructure that is (in most cases that I know of) already insufficient.
hicksy2
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Greengordon
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Peter Brown
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •streetcoder
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Follow up, seems to be 12 m max length. So #carryshitolympics with canoes should be fine.
Abmessungen (§ 32 StVZO Absatz 1–4)
Breite allgemein: 2,55 m
Höhe: 4 m
Länge allgemein: 12 m
Fahrrad und Anhänger zusammen: 18,75 m
Die Höchstanzahl von Anhängern hinter Fahrrädern ist nicht festgelegt. Das bedeutet, dass ein Fahrrad auch zwei oder mehrere Anhänger ziehen darf, sofern die zulässige Zuglänge von 18,75 m nicht überschritten wird.
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrrada…
ein Gestell mit Rädern und einem Kupplungssystem für den Transport von Lasten mit dem Fahrrad
Autoren der Wikimedia-Projekte (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Still Nmyownworld
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •Sensitiver Inhalt
Trying to fix a problem by causing more problems. 🙄
That is not a bicycle. And, it will absolutely block bicycle lanes. Forcing cyclists to either wait, or risk the danger of entering vehicle traffic lanes.
StarkRG
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷 • • •