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#Germany reduced gas imports from Russia to zero. #France, #Spain, the #Netherlands, #Italy, and #Belgium continue to import LNG (Liquified Natural Gas) in significant amounts from #Russia. Why? (Source: ieefa.org/european-lng-tracker… )
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Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

Also also. With #Trump coming up, is the dependency on US LNG sustainable? The move to #Renewables and storage capacities for electricity can not come soon enough, IMHO.
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Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

(and please. If you reply with counterarguments, add your source(s) the way I always try to do. Fact based discussions are just that much more valuable to me. thx!)
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

I am hoping that if Trumpy goes oil gas oil gas, he'll piss off the Saudi's who will then decide to bury the US fracking and gas industry by flooding the market a bit. Would probably take out the Russians and a few others too at $40 a barrel.
Als Antwort auf The Penguin of Evil

Yep, while we normal people stoically continue to install solar panels and batteries, ride electric bicycles and cars and thus make the fossil fuel mafia irrelevant. We will get there. #Solarpunk is the new #Steampunk
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Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

Biggest problem for a lot of it seems to be making planning work. It's now cheaper here over a 20 year period to build a fence out of solar panels than wood, even if you don't wire it up 8) - but one of them requires planning paperwork crap.
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

Good question. They're fighting the war on one side and funding it on the other... 🤷
Als Antwort auf Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

Germany however does import gas from Spain and Belgium. Which import gas from Russia. So we do import Russian gas, we just like it laundered.
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Leszek
I'm not questioning the effort it took to actually implement the zeroing off Russia's gas. It just wasn't Germany's decision. See reuters.com/business/energy/ex… and ft.com/content/6c6352c3-cb60-4…
You could argue that connecting those two causally is just journalistic speculation.
Well, it would add up if Germany didn't block sanctions against buying Russian LNG in EU politico.eu/article/germany-bl…
So answer to your actual question about NL & BE is: because it's legal and not an issue according to DE&HU.
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Leszek
Is the information about Germany blocking the 14th sanction package for more than a week (which among other things was supposed to block LNG imports from Russia across EU) untrue? Am I misinformed?
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Felix Gilcher
I refer to the sources you posted above. It’s also relevant to take into account that Germany receives most of its gas from pipelines and that includes LNG offloaded at other ports - we do have growing, but still limited capacity for unloading LNG. The source you posted is unclear on how LNG unloaded at other European ports is accounted for.
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Leszek

Congratulations to Germany on finally arriving here a decade later. It's good they did, It's sad it took so long. Even sadder others didn't arrive yet.

Regarding the coal: it does and it makes me sad that Poland keeps using almost half as much brown coal as the biggest polluter in EU.
The move to renewables is slow and there's not enough investment in the grid infrastructure to handle individual producers. I wish both PL and DE did more in that area.

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Felix Gilcher

The primary LNG importing ports that Germany relied on have historically been in Belgium and the Netherlands, both of which import significant amounts of Russian gas. So either our purchases from there are Russian LNG or domestic production which gets sold to Germany and backfilled with Russian LNG. Neither of which is great.

My more general point is: Looking at individual countries in a European market is comparatively low value.

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Felix Gilcher
Like I said, we just happen to buy significant chunks of our gas via pipelines from countries that just happen to import significant quantities of Russian LNG. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Felix Gilcher
I do agree that the efforts on the EU level including when it comes to reducing total gas usage have been pretty effective. There are also states in the EU that basically have invested zero effort into reducing their dependency and that’s unacceptable. I just don’t agree that Germany is the shining beacon here.
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Crofton
@etchedpixels Well yes, but they have more choices.
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The Penguin of Evil
In theory they pretty much control the lower bound. How much of their reserves are quite as easily reached and how much capacity they truly have as opposed to claim is a question but one that gets less and less relevant a Chinese oil imports plunge
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