The issue with digital identity is that people don’t have a single, unified identity. Identity, like many things, is a social construct, not part of some natural order. As a dual national, I'm acutely aware that when and how I assert an identity credential, or characteristic, depends on context. Therefore, digital systems that help us assert these identities must be responsive to people’s contextual needs and under their control. Otherwise, we’re just building more surveillance tools.
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Als Antwort auf Daniel Appelquist • • •a lot of confusion arises when there's no shared understanding of identity in a particular context, or even the context itself is unclear. We see this in #ActivityPub development, where a plethora of different mental models and perspectives are complicating severely the standardization process.
An example is this #SocialHub post and onwards pondering "What is Nomadic identity?" ..
socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/…
Nomadic identity for the fediverse?
SocialHubEmelia 👸🏻
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Als Antwort auf Emelia 👸🏻 • • •@thisismissem
I can well imagine that. I gather that in order to get further on a healthy evolutionary trajectory for the fediverse, thoughts must be given to further improving the commons-based 'specification development process'.
If everything is free-range text, perceptions and opinions representing often narrow interests, then each get-together will lead to suboptimal outcomes. Each person leaves a discussion with own expectations of what was agreed upon, and what will happen next.
Indieterminacy
Als Antwort auf just small circles 🕊 • • •Im still enraptured by the metaphysical insights from the Thomist Principle, Quidquid recipitur ad modum recipientis recipitur.
lonergan.org/2009/10/16/applyi…
Peoples mental models are wildly different, it takes an awful lot of skill and insight to align perspectives and definitions.
Our curiosity towards #chaordic governance is appreciating autonomy gains from things such as Fediverse but recognising tradeoffs.
Its infinitely harder than narrow protocol design.
@thisismissem @torgo
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Als Antwort auf Indieterminacy • • •> appreciating autonomy gains from things such as #Fediverse but recognising tradeoffs.
👆 This! Especially the "recognising" part is important in our grassroots environment. It implies having a good overview of all that is going on and being cocreated.
De facto with #ActivityPub protocol flexibility, under-specified areas, and its ad-hoc chaotic on-the-wire protocol-decay inducing evolution we get the opposite of narrow protocol design. A Big Ball of Mud.
Mike Macgirvin 🖥️
Als Antwort auf just small circles 🕊 • • •Nomadic identity is nothing more than a full backup of your social profile, friends, settings, and content that is always kept up-to-date on one or more alternate instances. So if anything goes wrong with your chosen instance; anything at all -- you can carry on like nothing happened.
And people think "choosing an instance" makes the fediverse complicated. That's nothing compared to what happens if you choose the wrong instance or the admin decides they don't like you. Nobody talks about this, because it can be devastating.
We provide a way to extract yourself and all your content from this situation. If you're on Mastodon, you have no such safety net. If something goes wrong, you can migrate your friends if you have warning; otherwise your existence in the fediverse and everything you ever posted is gone. Forever.
Poof.
This has happened before. in 2011 it happened to nearly a half-million people in the space of a week or two. Most of these went back to either Facebook or Twitter and left the fediverse fo
... mehr anzeigenNomadic identity is nothing more than a full backup of your social profile, friends, settings, and content that is always kept up-to-date on one or more alternate instances. So if anything goes wrong with your chosen instance; anything at all -- you can carry on like nothing happened.
And people think "choosing an instance" makes the fediverse complicated. That's nothing compared to what happens if you choose the wrong instance or the admin decides they don't like you. Nobody talks about this, because it can be devastating.
We provide a way to extract yourself and all your content from this situation. If you're on Mastodon, you have no such safety net. If something goes wrong, you can migrate your friends if you have warning; otherwise your existence in the fediverse and everything you ever posted is gone. Forever.
Poof.
This has happened before. in 2011 it happened to nearly a half-million people in the space of a week or two. Most of these went back to either Facebook or Twitter and left the fediverse forever.
As for the current conversation, what allows an identity to be nomadic is that it isn't permanently attached-to or associated-with a particular
these things can change at any time, but you're still you - no matter what instance or software brand you are using right now; and our own software tends to reflect this.
"Nomadic identity isn't just a good idea. It's a bloody great idea."
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Als Antwort auf Mike Macgirvin 🖥️ • • •@mikedev
> Nomadic identity is nothing more than a full backup of your social profile, friends, settings, and content that is always kept up-to-date on one or more alternate instances.
Now this is a clear definition, thank you! Fully aware of the problem and any good solution is a great idea :)
Where I was confused was the "identity" in the name, considered identity and data to be separate concepts. Moving all your content is more like a "Mobile home" facility. A name fit for 'end-users' too.
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Als Antwort auf just small circles 🕊 • • •Mike Macgirvin 🖥️
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Als Antwort auf Mike Macgirvin 🖥️ • • •@mikedev
Confusion that arises with me is in how I conceptually perceive the notion of self-sovereign identity. Namely as your identity in some digital representation, that is decoupled from the data you own and where it resides. Where SSI allows one to have nomadic homes just as well.
Maybe that is not the case in how the standards are developed and 'something extra' i.e. nomadic identity is required.
Either that or it may be better named to avoid the confusion with other uses of "identity".
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Als Antwort auf just small circles 🕊 • • •@mikedev
FYI I updated the related #SocialHub topic with your responses, in order to keep a record there..
socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/…
Nomadic identity for the fediverse?
SocialHubMike Macgirvin 🖥️
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Als Antwort auf Mike Macgirvin 🖥️ • • •@mikedev ah, I see. The location independence is what I also associated with my notion of SSI conceptually, and then there are a plethora of ways to technically achieve it. Witness all the competing standards.
Do you think "portable identity" covers the load better?
I wondered earlier if this particular mechanism of portable identity was needed to overcome design choices in the protocol that tied identity to domain names? Which we must now live with and work around to keep backwards compat.
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Als Antwort auf just small circles 🕊 • • •@mikedev
"Portable identity" would be a very good name. The protocol then has a "Portability" non-functional requirement which breaks down into separate mechanisms for portable identity and portable data. Where one depends on the other.