I don't think that "give beginners LLMs to get them started so they can actually learn to do it later" checks out.
(Original title: But will they?)
tante.cc/2025/07/21/but-will-t…
But will they?
Armin Ronacher, who is quite a well-known open source developer (especially in the Python community) and who would probably consider himself a very rational, pragmatic person when it comes to “AI” usage posted an interesting post on Mastodon today: P…tante (Smashing Frames)
tante hat dies geteilt.
🌸💪Big Tuff Al🔪🌸
Als Antwort auf tante • • •great essay
very strong argument that is completely agnostic to whether LLMs are actually capable of what they advertise, very difficult to hand-wave this sort of rhetoric
Dieu
Als Antwort auf tante • • •"That’s on us for shaping our education system into something not about intellectual curiosity and development of skills but into a form of certification generator that might get you a well-paid job."
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@rebeccawatson made a similar point here.
skepchick.org/2025/07/study-ch…
Study: ChatGPT is Bad for Your Brain
Rebecca Watson (Skepchick)hagen terschüren
Als Antwort auf tante • • •Oliver D. Reithmaier
Als Antwort auf tante • • •there is a way to use them to learn effectively. But people have to know how to use them this way. If they don't, they won't. This is the root problem. People don't learn how to interact properly and effectively with (this) tech.
Senior people in the field probably figure it out. Junior people might. Laypeople are lost.
Tindra
Als Antwort auf tante • • •they may have changed strategy since then, but as of when I left a certain college the CS department’s philosophy was “you have to do the introductory courses/learn the theory by hand. Once you’ve proven you know the fundamentals, you’re allowed to use GenAI, but you have to disclose it, and you’re still responsible for making sure your code passes all the test cases”.
Which is, as others have pointed out, the exact opposite of what the panelist proposes.
And is something I’ve ranted on before:
public.milcyber.org/activities…
MCPA - Draeger - The Autopilot Problem
public.milcyber.orgMarcel_Gehlen (he/him)
Als Antwort auf tante • • •Frottier
Als Antwort auf tante • • •"There is no value in something that is only sweetness and gentleness. There is no meaning to a live that's just given to you. Even if it's difficult and tough, the things you build up through hard work in reality is what really makes you happy. Please remember that."
Quote from Arifureta, season 3, ep 6, 21:15. This is a trashy, nasty anime—one of those with tits and everything. Why does it know something the aipologists don't?
Christian "Schepp" Schaefer
Als Antwort auf tante • • •tante hat dies geteilt.
Jan Oczenasek
Als Antwort auf tante • • •Using LLMs to solve problems will rob you of this learning effect. The paper on learning: cognitiveresearchjournal.sprin…
Teaching the science of learning - Cognitive Research: Principles and Implications
SpringerOpenbobschi
Als Antwort auf tante • • •@tante@nettime.org Well put. In a way, this reminds me of my personal experience with YouTube tutorials and essays. Consuming them let's you use the lingo and fake understanding, but actually trying the things that one supposedly now understands leads to frustration and disillusionment, at least in my experience.
I've really come to appreciate the word practice a lot more over the last two decades.
ideaPDish
Als Antwort auf tante • • •The problem with giving a todler a 50 cal machine gun is it takes a lot of strength to pull the trigger...
As soon as someone says, you can't do that.. someone is going to try and prove them wrong, by that time it's too late.
When do you think, we will see the great AI disaster of '26?
@dingens
Als Antwort auf tante • • •