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If Apple complies with this, the UK government will gain access to all iCloud data globally. The only way Apple comes out of this with any integrity is to leave the UK market. If they give in to this, every regime in the world will demand the same thing. And that’s before we even get to the fact that there’s no such thing as a “backdoor” for just so-and-so. Either there is a door or there isn’t and if there is, anyone who obtains the key can use it.

theguardian.com/technology/202…

#apple #backdoor #UK #encryption #privacy #security #personhood #data #democracy #humanRights #iCloud

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Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan

TBH the leak is the problem. If Apple could make credible in private that they would leave the UK market, the government could back down, in private.

That's just how diplomacy works. This isn't regulation but international relations between states.

But now it is public, neither side can back down without serious consequences.

Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan

I wouldnt trust apple long term

They will huff and puff about the UK demand and make a great show of protecting privacy etc

But as soon as the US govt demands the same ( maybe already have?) , Apple will have a serious weighing up of costs/ benefits *to apple, not customers* and quietly conclude that maybe they care more about the US govt than about their customers

After all their customers are well locked into their eco system and not many will be looking at alternatives

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This is an act of war wit the public. The only the we can do is boycot all UK.
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan

and don't forget the lock picks… Where's no door, one can't pick its locks. Simple. 🤷‍♂️
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan

Maybe I’m misreading the article but it sounds like one option they are considering is to keep offering iCloud, but without E2EE.

This honestly seems like a decent option to me. They can put a notice like, “we are not able to offer our secure iCloud storage to you because E2EE is not available in your jurisdiction.” Make it clear to all users that their privacy and security are compromised and it’s their government’s fault.

Als Antwort auf tyler

@lent They want access globally, I believe, not just within certain juristictions.
Als Antwort auf James Manes

@jmanes @lent can they do that for non-UK citizens nor residents?
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Als Antwort auf Miroslav Kravec

@kravemir @lent If they comply, it would mean disabling Advanced Security (E2EE mode) globally. It would impact every user of iCloud globally.
Als Antwort auf James Manes

@jmanes @lent I start to be more and more persuaded, that self-hosting and open-standards (hosting service as a commodity) with trusted open-source clients with fully-client-side E2E encryption is the right way to go.
Als Antwort auf Miroslav Kravec

@kravemir @lent I got pfsense running with DDNS and wireguard at my network edge. I will be abandoning Apple if they make this change. All will go to self-hosting.
Als Antwort auf James Manes

@jmanes @kravemir @lent Just make sure you’re protecting yourself from your boss too while you’re at it because he sounds like a scary motherfucker.

arstechnica.com/information-te…

Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan

I'm willing to bet that it was another five eyes partner, like the US, who damanded the UK request this since we, shockingly, have the legal framework in place for it. I was really hoping that this new government would repeal this god awful law. I guess that is not happening now...
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan

I don't get this. If Apple can provide this, it wasn't encrypted to begin with and they are likely already giving the info and this is just a PR campaign to adjust the public's expectations about these things.

If that cannot provide this, because it is encrypted with a key only the consumer can provide, then it's a moot point.

This is why I use @nextcloud and host it myself.

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Given the public nature of the order from UKGov to Apple, I suspect this will mean criminals won't put their data on the platform and find other companies. Well, unless they are dumb ones like Trump.

This is the link to the act:
legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2016/…

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It is worse than that. They could demand the cloud data for anyone, anywhere.

May be safer to not have an iPhone.

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Apple's investors want a backdoor.
businessinsider.com/saudi-arab…

The House of Saud often uses American or UK proxies to preserve their interests & pursue dissidents
middleeastmonitor.com/20241213…

theatlantic.com/magazine/archi…

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1…

bbc.com/news/articles/c4gz8934…

politico.eu/article/uk-trade-m…

The fossil fuel industry is prepared to do anything to stop climate action.
evolvepolitics.com/here-are-th…

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Aral Balkan

@emory They already capitulated to China by storing iCloud data locally. I’m pretty sure China didn’t ask for that because they wanted data they couldn’t read stored closer to home.

bbc.com/news/technology-571862…

Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan

That's why folks should back up their files on PHYSICAL MEDIA and not "clouds"!
Als Antwort auf DoomsdaysCW

@DoomsdaysCW Easier said than done. Not everyone has the time or knowledge to do so. There’s also something to be said about making what’s convenient also ethical. The two don’t have to be diametrically opposed just because Silicon Valley’s business model requires them to be or because authoritarian governments want it so. We need constitutional protections of human rights in the digital network age.

cyborgrights.eu

Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan

this is meant to force them to not offer it in GB. The intelligence agency doesn't want anyone to suspect that they have global zero day capability now.